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		<title>By: GrumZ</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>GrumZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 08:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did you see this post about a research project for this kind of metaphor : BumpTop :&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://blogs.gnome.org/view/gekker/2006/08/04/0&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It looks really great ! Watch the video, it is amazing !&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see this post about a research project for this kind of metaphor : BumpTop :</p>

<p><a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/view/gekker/2006/08/04/0" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/view/gekker/2006/08/04/0</a></p>

<p>It looks really great ! Watch the video, it is amazing !</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1675</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello,
I really like the idea of sets and that etherogenous applications objects must be groupable and movable. I tend to think an implementation for that is tag for grouping but also bookmarks as symbolink links to objects. Via dbus you could see applications which offers functions for an object (open mostly, but also offers icon ...). for example email://mailboxlocation#number could represent an email, body://adress a buddy etc...
OS as always seen as responsible for manipulating files, I think that today it should handle objects (although not directly but offering common api to programs via dbus).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,
I really like the idea of sets and that etherogenous applications objects must be groupable and movable. I tend to think an implementation for that is tag for grouping but also bookmarks as symbolink links to objects. Via dbus you could see applications which offers functions for an object (open mostly, but also offers icon &#8230;). for example email://mailboxlocation#number could represent an email, body://adress a buddy etc&#8230;
OS as always seen as responsible for manipulating files, I think that today it should handle objects (although not directly but offering common api to programs via dbus).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1405</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 21:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Piling&#039;s obviously a big area of research in HCI, but your discussion of the photo management stuff made me in particular think of Dan Bauer&#039;s recent disseration.  It comes out of both the cognitive ethnography and zoomable-user-interface traditions; he built a photo/document sorting tool, with piles, zooming for inspection, various bits of physics (lens for sorting, etc.), and then analyzed how it worked in practice, how tiny design choices affected usage, etc.  I don&#039;t think the diss is online, but you could probably get a copy by emailing him at
dsbauer.atsign.cogsci.ucsd.edu.  Might be a useful source of food for thought...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Piling&#8217;s obviously a big area of research in HCI, but your discussion of the photo management stuff made me in particular think of Dan Bauer&#8217;s recent disseration.  It comes out of both the cognitive ethnography and zoomable-user-interface traditions; he built a photo/document sorting tool, with piles, zooming for inspection, various bits of physics (lens for sorting, etc.), and then analyzed how it worked in practice, how tiny design choices affected usage, etc.  I don&#8217;t think the diss is online, but you could probably get a copy by emailing him at
dsbauer.atsign.cogsci.ucsd.edu.  Might be a useful source of food for thought&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GrumZ</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>GrumZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like lots of people here, I love these ideas. A desktop where your workflow will be smooth and not always disturbed by anything would be really really great.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Maybe, you will be interresting by the Atomato project, initiated by Rodrigo Moya, which could be the first steps towards this ideal desktop. The first goal of it is to &quot;allow non programmers to build their own scripts for automating tasks without having to write a single line of code, much like Apple&#039;s Automator.&quot; This will be done by letting application export their functionnalities throught DBUS functions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But if we push further this project idea we can imagine that each application could be only a set of exported function that can be registered to the desktop. So when you click on your photo pile, it will display all the application&#039;s functions that have registered for photo related tasks.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More details here :
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/07/04/0&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like lots of people here, I love these ideas. A desktop where your workflow will be smooth and not always disturbed by anything would be really really great.</p>

<p>Maybe, you will be interresting by the Atomato project, initiated by Rodrigo Moya, which could be the first steps towards this ideal desktop. The first goal of it is to &#8220;allow non programmers to build their own scripts for automating tasks without having to write a single line of code, much like Apple&#8217;s Automator.&#8221; This will be done by letting application export their functionnalities throught DBUS functions.</p>

<p>But if we push further this project idea we can imagine that each application could be only a set of exported function that can be registered to the desktop. So when you click on your photo pile, it will display all the application&#8217;s functions that have registered for photo related tasks.</p>

<p>More details here :
<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/07/04/0" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/view/rodrigo/2006/07/04/0</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Lauro Moura &#187; Desktop contextual</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauro Moura &#187; Desktop contextual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 20:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Nesse post, Jono Bacon (um dos autores do Jokosher) comenta sobre um possÃ­vel GNOME 3.0. Segundo suas idÃ©ias, o ideal seria algo mais prÃ³ximo de como trabalhamos no dia a dia, abstraindo o conceito (separado) de aplicaÃ§Ã£o. Ao invÃ©s de aplicaÃ§Ãµes propriamente ditas, elas apenas disponibilizariam serviÃ§os que seriam exibidos de acordo com a necessidade, sem necessidade de uma &#8220;janela&#8221; prÃ³pria para o programa. Dessa forma, a diferenÃ§a para o usuÃ¡rio entre aplicaÃ§Ãµes locais e aplicaÃ§Ãµes remotas poderia estar ainda menor. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nesse post, Jono Bacon (um dos autores do Jokosher) comenta sobre um possÃ­vel GNOME 3.0. Segundo suas idÃ©ias, o ideal seria algo mais prÃ³ximo de como trabalhamos no dia a dia, abstraindo o conceito (separado) de aplicaÃ§Ã£o. Ao invÃ©s de aplicaÃ§Ãµes propriamente ditas, elas apenas disponibilizariam serviÃ§os que seriam exibidos de acordo com a necessidade, sem necessidade de uma &#8220;janela&#8221; prÃ³pria para o programa. Dessa forma, a diferenÃ§a para o usuÃ¡rio entre aplicaÃ§Ãµes locais e aplicaÃ§Ãµes remotas poderia estar ainda menor. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: jonobacon@home &#187; Busy days</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonobacon@home &#187; Busy days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 16:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Thinking more and more about the contextual desktop. The blog post I wrote garnered some really awesome comments and some interesting ideas. When I get a moment for my head to breath I am going to think about it in some more detail. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: pollycoke :) &#187; Pensierini post-GUADEC</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>pollycoke :) &#187; Pensierini post-GUADEC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Jono Bacon on contextual user interfaces. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Erich Schubert</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1318</link>
		<dc:creator>Erich Schubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi,
Another &quot;natural&quot; way of organizing things is that we tend to put important stuff in the front, and less important stuff somewhere to the back.
Many people are cluttering their desktop (at least on windows), and then will need to clean up every now and then.
They usually have two things on their desktop (apart from cruft like automatically generated icons):
- frequently accessed application icons
- &quot;fresh&quot; files they just dropped on the desktop and not in an appropriate folder yet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You &quot;piling&quot; aims at that a bit, but I think we could do better. Give the user a &quot;natural&quot; way of making stuff more or less important. Use depth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I&#039;m basically thinking of is that icons will become smaller when they are placed at the upper end of the screen, and larger when they are placed &quot;in front&quot;. I guess that can look awesome with lowfat, too. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But it&#039;s not just about graphics. Think of how people use piles on their desktop - the piles grow and grow, and the stuff lower in the pile gets obscured, until they actually clean up.
If I had a &quot;current documents&quot; pile on my desktop - I have disabled all icons, since I run my windows full screen anyway, so I never would see them anyway - I would want it to behave similarly, that basically by dropping more and more stuff &quot;atop&quot; of each other, some stuff will go into the background.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(It might be useful to have different views on your desktop then - including a zoom in function and a birds eye, for cleaning up, or finding &quot;covered&quot; files)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,
Another &#8220;natural&#8221; way of organizing things is that we tend to put important stuff in the front, and less important stuff somewhere to the back.
Many people are cluttering their desktop (at least on windows), and then will need to clean up every now and then.
They usually have two things on their desktop (apart from cruft like automatically generated icons):
- frequently accessed application icons
- &#8220;fresh&#8221; files they just dropped on the desktop and not in an appropriate folder yet.</p>

<p>You &#8220;piling&#8221; aims at that a bit, but I think we could do better. Give the user a &#8220;natural&#8221; way of making stuff more or less important. Use depth.</p>

<p>What I&#8217;m basically thinking of is that icons will become smaller when they are placed at the upper end of the screen, and larger when they are placed &#8220;in front&#8221;. I guess that can look awesome with lowfat, too. <img src='http://www.jonobacon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>But it&#8217;s not just about graphics. Think of how people use piles on their desktop &#8211; the piles grow and grow, and the stuff lower in the pile gets obscured, until they actually clean up.
If I had a &#8220;current documents&#8221; pile on my desktop &#8211; I have disabled all icons, since I run my windows full screen anyway, so I never would see them anyway &#8211; I would want it to behave similarly, that basically by dropping more and more stuff &#8220;atop&#8221; of each other, some stuff will go into the background.</p>

<p>(It might be useful to have different views on your desktop then &#8211; including a zoom in function and a birds eye, for cleaning up, or finding &#8220;covered&#8221; files)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1303</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops, wrote that without having read any of the comments.  I completely agree that &quot;tags&quot; are an implementation detail... that&#039;s kinda why I use the more academic term &quot;sets&quot;.  It should be a developer api, not necessarily something the user sees.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, wrote that without having read any of the comments.  I completely agree that &#8220;tags&#8221; are an implementation detail&#8230; that&#8217;s kinda why I use the more academic term &#8220;sets&#8221;.  It should be a developer api, not necessarily something the user sees.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2006/07/07/thinking-about-gnome-30/comment-page-1/#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To me, it sounds like you&#039;re describing two related things: a new systemwide metaphor for organizing information (an alternative to the hierarchical filesystem), and more document centric, contextual interfaces.  They&#039;re related in that applications can certainly utilize the alternative filesystem metaphor, but it extends beyond individual applications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The first part sounds similar to the general shift away from organizing information in trees and towards organizing it in sets that&#039;s been seen in many contexts lately.  I love this, because I think human brains tend to organize information in sets, making these kinds of interfaces much more natural than the hierarchical filesystems that have been ingrained in computer science since at least 1950.  This shift probably started with rise of the search engine concept, which, at a fundamental level, lets people find stuff by taking the intersection of various sets (along with ranking the results).  More lately, its been evident in the tagging craze and the idea of virtual folders that applications like evolution and liferea (both are just sets by another name).  Moving to a completely object based or relational filesystem is probably beyond our capabilities for now, simply because of inertia, but providing a set api on top of it, as you and these other efforts are trying to do, is one way of alleviating some of the computer/brain impedance mismatch.  Anyway, what I guess I&#039;m saying is that your contextual projects sound like sets too, and could probably be representing by a tagging system, although one in which tags aren&#039;t necessarily applied by the user.  The leaftag project is attempting to add something like this to gnome, although I worry that its isn&#039;t deep enough into the gnome infrastructure (being made part of gnome-vfs might be preferrable) and might not be powerful enough for some of the things, like this, that people will want to use it for (a namespace system for tags would help).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it sounds like you&#8217;re describing two related things: a new systemwide metaphor for organizing information (an alternative to the hierarchical filesystem), and more document centric, contextual interfaces.  They&#8217;re related in that applications can certainly utilize the alternative filesystem metaphor, but it extends beyond individual applications.</p>

<p>The first part sounds similar to the general shift away from organizing information in trees and towards organizing it in sets that&#8217;s been seen in many contexts lately.  I love this, because I think human brains tend to organize information in sets, making these kinds of interfaces much more natural than the hierarchical filesystems that have been ingrained in computer science since at least 1950.  This shift probably started with rise of the search engine concept, which, at a fundamental level, lets people find stuff by taking the intersection of various sets (along with ranking the results).  More lately, its been evident in the tagging craze and the idea of virtual folders that applications like evolution and liferea (both are just sets by another name).  Moving to a completely object based or relational filesystem is probably beyond our capabilities for now, simply because of inertia, but providing a set api on top of it, as you and these other efforts are trying to do, is one way of alleviating some of the computer/brain impedance mismatch.  Anyway, what I guess I&#8217;m saying is that your contextual projects sound like sets too, and could probably be representing by a tagging system, although one in which tags aren&#8217;t necessarily applied by the user.  The leaftag project is attempting to add something like this to gnome, although I worry that its isn&#8217;t deep enough into the gnome infrastructure (being made part of gnome-vfs might be preferrable) and might not be powerful enough for some of the things, like this, that people will want to use it for (a namespace system for tags would help).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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