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	<title>Comments on: Organic interface design for GNOME</title>
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		<title>By: Arkadi</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-130374</link>
		<dc:creator>Arkadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m so agree with you. I am a Ubuntu fan and using Gnome. I want to help with my programming skills but for know i have some exams to pass. This is must have feature in a home desktop opereting system. I never wrote any software on linux but i will begin soon, and my goal is to polish every thing and add some missing functionallity in the gui parts.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so agree with you. I am a Ubuntu fan and using Gnome. I want to help with my programming skills but for know i have some exams to pass. This is must have feature in a home desktop opereting system. I never wrote any software on linux but i will begin soon, and my goal is to polish every thing and add some missing functionallity in the gui parts.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: anothr user</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-68703</link>
		<dc:creator>anothr user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: troy_s</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-57857</link>
		<dc:creator>troy_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 03:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Design school 101:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) Audience?
2) Goal?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s pretty simple.  Your statement &quot;and ultimately no-one is 100% correct.&quot; is probably a little incorrect in and of itself.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is no such thing as &#039;general computer interaction&#039;.  It&#039;s a myth.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Pick an audience and pick your goal / communication.  Inevitably it is why Apple is &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; lauded on the OS landscape.  Bear in mind, they also have a pile of well educated and trained designers.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If GNOME wants to forge ahead, it needs to quit worrying about they mythical &#039;everyone&#039; and more about &#039;you -- yes you there!&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Design school 101:</p>

<p>1) Audience?
2) Goal?</p>

<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple.  Your statement &#8220;and ultimately no-one is 100% correct.&#8221; is probably a little incorrect in and of itself.</p>

<p>There is no such thing as &#8216;general computer interaction&#8217;.  It&#8217;s a myth.</p>

<p>Pick an audience and pick your goal / communication.  Inevitably it is why Apple is <em>much</em> lauded on the OS landscape.  Bear in mind, they also have a pile of well educated and trained designers.</p>

<p>If GNOME wants to forge ahead, it needs to quit worrying about they mythical &#8216;everyone&#8217; and more about &#8216;you &#8212; yes you there!&#8217;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-40811</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 21:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pile theory is just replacing one imposed (And, I agree, outdated) metaphor with another.  The screen is flat and so are our images and documents.  It&#039;s good that people are experimenting with alternative interfaces but much of that experimentation is just that.  Heavily 3D workspaces often look cool and are great fun but their contribution to actual productivity is highly questionable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The user needs different views for searching (contextual responses to queries), browsing (everything is a playlist), sorting (piles could be useful for sorting but shouldn&#039;t be imposed) and working.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We should definately question the messy window paradigm and the desktop metaphor is outdated and broken.  Moving to a psudo-naturalistic post-modern concept won&#039;t fix it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For most daily computer tasks, people shouldn&#039;t have to think about apps at all. (Hmm, which app to open this photo in?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you base the interface around:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People - this is an obvious one.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OBJECTS (Data, Text, Images, music, videos) Why can&#039;t you just create a new table object then call spreadsheet-like functions as you need them?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Associations (Metadata, this photo is associated with these people and will appear in the &quot;virtual folder&quot; ( Or whatever) associated with them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Views (consistent but context sensitive views, both structured and yes, free-form and semi-free-form.  lists, icon - variable size, WORKSPACES - freeform space containing context data for particular tasks)  Variable views for contacts, pull the border to view increasingly more data, starting from a photo-icon the with name, then more... up to showing all the objects associated with that contact)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Collections (smart folders, playlists, photo albums, contact lists, projects, all-the-files-bob-has-ever-sent-me.  Think of project folders which show all the people and objects associated wiht that project but not as a simple list!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Actions or tasks (Editing text, sending, painting, adding a layer to an image, chatting, searching, browsing etc.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tools to perform actions (context sensitive. ref:Apple inspector for iWork apps, context menus, Office Ribbon etc.)  You should be able to click on an image in your finder/file manager and perform common editing tasks without going any further but the transition to more complex editing shouldn&#039;t make you feel you are opening a particular app (Especially not the GIMP!)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You won&#039;t go far wrong.  The above are not metaphors but what is actually going on between the user and their computer.  None of the above requires or justifies much 3D, although an accelerated and rich-looking UI is great.  There are many tools and frameworks (Tracker, Gstreamer, Telepathy, gegl, Dbus) which are maturing nicely to allow a more integrated experience.  Dare I mention such things as Tinymail and the Dbus port of EDS?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One thing to consider about UI is that if it&#039;s good on a small screen, it probably translates to a big screen well but the opposite is not true.  Linux has huge potential on portable devices.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Customisation is great.  Look at Adium on the Mac.  This kind of customisation could be applied to many different cases.  Diary/calender/journal can be themed, watermarked etc.  WebKit....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The current window paradigm wastes lots of space and requires lots of window resizing/moving/finding.  There&#039;s a lot to recommend a non-overlapping interface (mmm, panes, not windows).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lots of data the computer provides (New mail, person signed on, non-critical system messages, news items) could be sent to a standardised notification framework the the user can choose how that is displayed (menubar).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think I&#039;ve ranted enough for now...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah, how about adopting D?  It could be the basis of an entire &quot;better than OpenStep&quot; OO/OS framework.  Or is that a suggestion too far? :grin:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Mike C&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pile theory is just replacing one imposed (And, I agree, outdated) metaphor with another.  The screen is flat and so are our images and documents.  It&#8217;s good that people are experimenting with alternative interfaces but much of that experimentation is just that.  Heavily 3D workspaces often look cool and are great fun but their contribution to actual productivity is highly questionable.</p>

<p>The user needs different views for searching (contextual responses to queries), browsing (everything is a playlist), sorting (piles could be useful for sorting but shouldn&#8217;t be imposed) and working.</p>

<p>We should definately question the messy window paradigm and the desktop metaphor is outdated and broken.  Moving to a psudo-naturalistic post-modern concept won&#8217;t fix it.</p>

<p>For most daily computer tasks, people shouldn&#8217;t have to think about apps at all. (Hmm, which app to open this photo in?)</p>

<p>If you base the interface around:</p>

<p>People &#8211; this is an obvious one.</p>

<p>OBJECTS (Data, Text, Images, music, videos) Why can&#8217;t you just create a new table object then call spreadsheet-like functions as you need them?</p>

<p>Associations (Metadata, this photo is associated with these people and will appear in the &#8220;virtual folder&#8221; ( Or whatever) associated with them.</p>

<p>Views (consistent but context sensitive views, both structured and yes, free-form and semi-free-form.  lists, icon &#8211; variable size, WORKSPACES &#8211; freeform space containing context data for particular tasks)  Variable views for contacts, pull the border to view increasingly more data, starting from a photo-icon the with name, then more&#8230; up to showing all the objects associated with that contact)</p>

<p>Collections (smart folders, playlists, photo albums, contact lists, projects, all-the-files-bob-has-ever-sent-me.  Think of project folders which show all the people and objects associated wiht that project but not as a simple list!)</p>

<p>Actions or tasks (Editing text, sending, painting, adding a layer to an image, chatting, searching, browsing etc.)</p>

<p>Tools to perform actions (context sensitive. ref:Apple inspector for iWork apps, context menus, Office Ribbon etc.)  You should be able to click on an image in your finder/file manager and perform common editing tasks without going any further but the transition to more complex editing shouldn&#8217;t make you feel you are opening a particular app (Especially not the GIMP!)</p>

<p>You won&#8217;t go far wrong.  The above are not metaphors but what is actually going on between the user and their computer.  None of the above requires or justifies much 3D, although an accelerated and rich-looking UI is great.  There are many tools and frameworks (Tracker, Gstreamer, Telepathy, gegl, Dbus) which are maturing nicely to allow a more integrated experience.  Dare I mention such things as Tinymail and the Dbus port of EDS?</p>

<p>One thing to consider about UI is that if it&#8217;s good on a small screen, it probably translates to a big screen well but the opposite is not true.  Linux has huge potential on portable devices.</p>

<p>Customisation is great.  Look at Adium on the Mac.  This kind of customisation could be applied to many different cases.  Diary/calender/journal can be themed, watermarked etc.  WebKit&#8230;.</p>

<p>The current window paradigm wastes lots of space and requires lots of window resizing/moving/finding.  There&#8217;s a lot to recommend a non-overlapping interface (mmm, panes, not windows).</p>

<p>Lots of data the computer provides (New mail, person signed on, non-critical system messages, news items) could be sent to a standardised notification framework the the user can choose how that is displayed (menubar).</p>

<p>I think I&#8217;ve ranted enough for now&#8230;</p>

<p>Oh yeah, how about adopting D?  It could be the basis of an entire &#8220;better than OpenStep&#8221; OO/OS framework.  Or is that a suggestion too far? <img src='http://www.jonobacon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>

<p>Mike C</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jarlath Reidy</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-39692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarlath Reidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 02:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with most of what you said Jono. But as someone mentioned, contextual tools need to be carefully executed. Jokosher seems to do this very well from what I&#039;ve seen, but a lesson could be learned from MS Word. The menus begin to hide unused functions over time, and I see in my office everyday, people and myself, an experienced computer user, looking for something I thought was &#039;around here somewhere&#039; previously.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I totally agree with your belief that the computing experience would be more intuitive if it emulated our real tactile environment suitably. On a minor note, I made an attempt a few years ago to make a different type of music player for this reason. Lack of programming expertise and maturity on my part meant it never made it past concept really but if anyone want&#039;s a look or a laugh -&gt; http://www24.brinkster.com/jreidy/&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with most of what you said Jono. But as someone mentioned, contextual tools need to be carefully executed. Jokosher seems to do this very well from what I&#8217;ve seen, but a lesson could be learned from MS Word. The menus begin to hide unused functions over time, and I see in my office everyday, people and myself, an experienced computer user, looking for something I thought was &#8216;around here somewhere&#8217; previously.</p>

<p>I totally agree with your belief that the computing experience would be more intuitive if it emulated our real tactile environment suitably. On a minor note, I made an attempt a few years ago to make a different type of music player for this reason. Lack of programming expertise and maturity on my part meant it never made it past concept really but if anyone want&#8217;s a look or a laugh -&gt; <a href="http://www24.brinkster.com/jreidy/" rel="nofollow">http://www24.brinkster.com/jreidy/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-38331</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A further note on my above comment: I think a key component to the useful user state info for applications is standard DBus APIs for common tasks. You should be able to use any music app you want and DBus will provide the API for pausing, playing, volume change, etc.. Same goes for all other common tasks (watching video, writing, IMing, emailing, &amp;c.).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A further note on my above comment: I think a key component to the useful user state info for applications is standard DBus APIs for common tasks. You should be able to use any music app you want and DBus will provide the API for pausing, playing, volume change, etc.. Same goes for all other common tasks (watching video, writing, IMing, emailing, &amp;c.).</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-38328</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] We need our applications to be aware of what the user wants to do [...]&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Equally critical is knowing what the user /is/ doing. I have always been dumbfounded by how oblivious my computer is about what I&#039;m doing. Case and point: the screensaver turns on while I am watching a video online. I do multiple things with my computer at the same time; each ought to be aware of the others. The screensaver is the perfect app to illustrate this point since it&#039;s all about intuiting user state (at or away from the screen). Screensavers ought to:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;Never /ever/ start while I&#039;m watching a video. With Totem, with VLC, in a browser; any video, any place, no screensaver.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;If I jiggle the mouse immediately after the screensaver comes on, I&#039;M BUSY. It should wait longer before coming on again. And longer still if it happens again.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;p&gt;I read loads of text every day. Emails, websites, Wikipedia articles: It would be trivial for the computer to statistically calculate my average reading speed based upon the volume of text and the speed at which I scroll. The screensaver should /never/ come on before I have had time to read all of the text on screen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My screensaver is set to 2 hrs because its too stupid to bear. If it were smart, it might actually be useful. Another example of universal state info: if I do /anything/ with audio (play a video, start a VOIP call, begin recording from my mic) my music should automatically pause. If I finish my interstitial aural activity within a reasonable time (a few minutes), then the music ought to resume. But don&#039;t stop there. If I open a video but then mute it, bring back the music. Maybe even give me %50 music volume when I set the movie to %50 volume. Simple stuff like that.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;I&#039;m listening to music. Don&#039;t you know that?! Who&#039;s the freakin&#039; logic machine in this relationship!&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We need our applications to be aware of what the user wants to do [...]</p>

<p>Equally critical is knowing what the user /is/ doing. I have always been dumbfounded by how oblivious my computer is about what I&#8217;m doing. Case and point: the screensaver turns on while I am watching a video online. I do multiple things with my computer at the same time; each ought to be aware of the others. The screensaver is the perfect app to illustrate this point since it&#8217;s all about intuiting user state (at or away from the screen). Screensavers ought to:</p>

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<li><p>Never /ever/ start while I&#8217;m watching a video. With Totem, with VLC, in a browser; any video, any place, no screensaver.</p></li>
<li><p>If I jiggle the mouse immediately after the screensaver comes on, I&#8217;M BUSY. It should wait longer before coming on again. And longer still if it happens again.</p></li>
<li><p>I read loads of text every day. Emails, websites, Wikipedia articles: It would be trivial for the computer to statistically calculate my average reading speed based upon the volume of text and the speed at which I scroll. The screensaver should /never/ come on before I have had time to read all of the text on screen.</p></li>
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<p>My screensaver is set to 2 hrs because its too stupid to bear. If it were smart, it might actually be useful. Another example of universal state info: if I do /anything/ with audio (play a video, start a VOIP call, begin recording from my mic) my music should automatically pause. If I finish my interstitial aural activity within a reasonable time (a few minutes), then the music ought to resume. But don&#8217;t stop there. If I open a video but then mute it, bring back the music. Maybe even give me %50 music volume when I set the movie to %50 volume. Simple stuff like that.</p>

<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m listening to music. Don&#8217;t you know that?! Who&#8217;s the freakin&#8217; logic machine in this relationship!&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: GNOME 2.18 Shows Incremental Improvement &#124;</title>
		<link>http://www.jonobacon.org/2007/03/28/organic-interface-design-for-gnome/comment-page-1/#comment-38185</link>
		<dc:creator>GNOME 2.18 Shows Incremental Improvement &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] While working on this review, I noticed several developers on Planet GNOME talking about ideas for the next release, a roadmap process, and the need to start thinking about a GNOME 3.0 or next-gen GNOME, so maybe GNOME will come up with some radical improvements in the nearish future. I suspect that KDE 4.0 will provide a kick in the pants for GNOME folks to think about &#8220;catching up&#8221; when KDE 4.0 is released. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While working on this review, I noticed several developers on Planet GNOME talking about ideas for the next release, a roadmap process, and the need to start thinking about a GNOME 3.0 or next-gen GNOME, so maybe GNOME will come up with some radical improvements in the nearish future. I suspect that KDE 4.0 will provide a kick in the pants for GNOME folks to think about &#8220;catching up&#8221; when KDE 4.0 is released. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Quick and Dirty Hacks &#187; Neural ear: A first step into human interface AI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick and Dirty Hacks &#187; Neural ear: A first step into human interface AI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] ** UPDATE Apr 2007 ** Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have just thrown this out there, it seems apple are now working on similar ideas. That&#8217;ll teach me&#8230; Also this relates to Jono&#8217;s recent post about Organic user interfaces  May 30th, 2006 [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ** UPDATE Apr 2007 ** Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have just thrown this out there, it seems apple are now working on similar ideas. That&#8217;ll teach me&#8230; Also this relates to Jono&#8217;s recent post about Organic user interfaces  May 30th, 2006 [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Quick and Dirty Hacks &#187; The finishing touches are important</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quick and Dirty Hacks &#187; The finishing touches are important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] After reading and listening (LR) to Jono Bacon rant on about the direction of GNOME a subject on which I whole heartily agree and something you&#8217;ll see me working on in the future it seems strange to me that GNOME don&#8217;t have teams to deal with desktop continuity. Usability is one thing, and is the big buzz word being thrown around at the minute and since guadec. However usability being an important issue as it is, it must be connected to continuity of the desktop. In movies they employ people to make sure that if a actor/actress is wearing a red top in one scene, he doesn&#8217;t end up wearing the blue top featured later in the movie in the next scene even though the filming of the two scenes are back to back. Wardrobe and continuity make this happen, continuity ensures that the flow of the film isn&#8217;t damaged by inconsistencies that viewers will notice. [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] After reading and listening (LR) to Jono Bacon rant on about the direction of GNOME a subject on which I whole heartily agree and something you&#8217;ll see me working on in the future it seems strange to me that GNOME don&#8217;t have teams to deal with desktop continuity. Usability is one thing, and is the big buzz word being thrown around at the minute and since guadec. However usability being an important issue as it is, it must be connected to continuity of the desktop. In movies they employ people to make sure that if a actor/actress is wearing a red top in one scene, he doesn&#8217;t end up wearing the blue top featured later in the movie in the next scene even though the filming of the two scenes are back to back. Wardrobe and continuity make this happen, continuity ensures that the flow of the film isn&#8217;t damaged by inconsistencies that viewers will notice. [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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