Comments on: The Validity Of 5-A-Day http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/ At home with Jono Bacon, Community Manager and Author Sat, 20 Mar 2010 03:10:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: tiago http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-126311 tiago Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:59:51 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-126311 <p>:evil:i hate 5 a day blud in:wink:abit blud</p> :evil: i hate 5 a day blud in:wink:abit blud

]]> By: Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu numéro 110 du 21 au 27 septembre 2008 « Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125697 Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu numéro 110 du 21 au 27 septembre 2008 « Lettre Hebdomadaire Ubuntu Sun, 05 Oct 2008 22:04:17 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125697 <p>[...] 5-a-day est valable - Jono Bacon rappelle que le but de 5-a-day est de faciliter le triage des bogues. Même si relativement peu de monde participe les résultats sont spectaculaires. Jono cite tous les avantages que l’on peut retirer d’une participation à 5-a-day et invite ceux possédant l’expertise à le rejoindre. http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307 [...]</p> [...] 5-a-day est valable – Jono Bacon rappelle que le but de 5-a-day est de faciliter le triage des bogues. Même si relativement peu de monde participe les résultats sont spectaculaires. Jono cite tous les avantages que l’on peut retirer d’une participation à 5-a-day et invite ceux possédant l’expertise à le rejoindre. http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307 [...]

]]> By: Ed Daniel http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125692 Ed Daniel Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:14:30 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125692 <p>@Mackenzie re: "f course, I can’t reproduce bugs in Intrepid because I run Hardy"</p> <p>It might not be such a bad idea to use KVM / virtual images in order to run multiple OSes, easier than dual-booting and if your PC has a 2+ core processor w/2GB+ memory should run fine.</p> @Mackenzie re: “f course, I can’t reproduce bugs in Intrepid because I run Hardy”

It might not be such a bad idea to use KVM / virtual images in order to run multiple OSes, easier than dual-booting and if your PC has a 2+ core processor w/2GB+ memory should run fine.

]]> By: Jim http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125627 Jim Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:07:19 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125627 <p>5-A-Day requires running the development version of Ubuntu?</p> <p>The only thing I see that even hints at this is on the 5-A-Day wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day) is this:</p> <p>"Do you know if the bug is still occurs in the development release? "</p> <p>But can't you work on 5-A-Day and not run a development version of Ubuntu?</p> <p>It would seem pretty arrogant if you can't as you don't want to imply that a bug that is still in a supported version of Ubuntu can only be fixed by upgrading to the newest version. </p> <p>Sometimes that's the case, to be sure, but not always. Pointing out bugs in a supported version of Ubuntu seems like it is still helping the cause, don't you think?</p> 5-A-Day requires running the development version of Ubuntu?

The only thing I see that even hints at this is on the 5-A-Day wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day) is this:

“Do you know if the bug is still occurs in the development release? “

But can’t you work on 5-A-Day and not run a development version of Ubuntu?

It would seem pretty arrogant if you can’t as you don’t want to imply that a bug that is still in a supported version of Ubuntu can only be fixed by upgrading to the newest version.

Sometimes that’s the case, to be sure, but not always. Pointing out bugs in a supported version of Ubuntu seems like it is still helping the cause, don’t you think?

]]> By: Mackenzie http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125621 Mackenzie Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:20:22 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125621 <p>@txwikinger: I thought it was 60 days?</p> <p>Jono: It doesn't really require running the development version to ask for more information. I'm still running Hardy, but I usually (when not swamped with homework) spend a few hours triaging a day. Of course, I can't reproduce bugs in Intrepid because I run Hardy, but I just make sure I have an Intrepid user (Daniel Chen) sitting next to me to make him reproduce them ;) Branching from LP and writing/testing a fix also doesn't <em>necessarily</em> require running Intrepid...though I usually limit my patches to string fixes.</p> @txwikinger: I thought it was 60 days?

Jono: It doesn’t really require running the development version to ask for more information. I’m still running Hardy, but I usually (when not swamped with homework) spend a few hours triaging a day. Of course, I can’t reproduce bugs in Intrepid because I run Hardy, but I just make sure I have an Intrepid user (Daniel Chen) sitting next to me to make him reproduce them ;) Branching from LP and writing/testing a fix also doesn’t necessarily require running Intrepid…though I usually limit my patches to string fixes.

]]> By: txwikinger http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125618 txwikinger Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:52:54 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125618 <p>@Stafan: You did not wait the required 28 days to close this blog-entry. Therefore, this blog-entry will be opened again.</p> <p>For anybody who is interested in bugtriage in the Toronto area in Ontario, Canada, I will be giving a presentation into QA and bugtriage at the Ontario Linux Fest on October 25th (http://onlinux.ca). Local Bug Jams in Kitchener/Waterloo will hopefully follow.</p> <p>txwikinger</p> @Stafan: You did not wait the required 28 days to close this blog-entry. Therefore, this blog-entry will be opened again.

For anybody who is interested in bugtriage in the Toronto area in Ontario, Canada, I will be giving a presentation into QA and bugtriage at the Ontario Linux Fest on October 25th (http://onlinux.ca). Local Bug Jams in Kitchener/Waterloo will hopefully follow.

txwikinger

]]> By: Stefan Potyra http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125614 Stefan Potyra Sun, 28 Sep 2008 01:37:15 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125614 <p>We are closing this blog entry because it lacks the information we need to investigate the problem, as described in the previous comments. Please blog again it if you can give us the missing information, and don't hesitate to submit blog entries in the future. Thanks again!</p> We are closing this blog entry because it lacks the information we need to investigate the problem, as described in the previous comments. Please blog again it if you can give us the missing information, and don’t hesitate to submit blog entries in the future. Thanks again!

]]> By: rawsausage http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125609 rawsausage Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:07:47 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125609 <p>What bugs me is that not all bugs are equal. 5-a-day seems to be targetting mostly the low hanging apples. Actually sorting the open tickets by oldest first and solving the hard ones in order in productive way would produce a lot more value. After all, solving the hard ones is what makes quality and real development. Go ahead and take a look at the oldest reported bugs and think about it.</p> What bugs me is that not all bugs are equal. 5-a-day seems to be targetting mostly the low hanging apples. Actually sorting the open tickets by oldest first and solving the hard ones in order in productive way would produce a lot more value. After all, solving the hard ones is what makes quality and real development. Go ahead and take a look at the oldest reported bugs and think about it.

]]> By: math challenged http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/09/27/the-validity-of-5-a-day/comment-page-1/#comment-125608 math challenged Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:46:46 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1307#comment-125608 <p>So, that works out to 20 people doing 5 bugs a day, if we allow 20 days a month of actually following the plan? 14 people if they are on it 7 days a week (which is probably not realistic)? </p> <p>If one assumes a simplistic 50% churn per month and 20 people a month, that would be 80 different people in total involved over the 7 months?</p> <p>I assume the participant number is actually not constant over time, but growing over time with a smaller starting number? (After an initial "excitement" spike?) </p> <p>It would be fun to see the actual graphs you have. Could be nice supporting evidence to convince more people to get involved, or even get some of the upstream projects Ubuntu relies on doing a 5-a-day of their own.</p> So, that works out to 20 people doing 5 bugs a day, if we allow 20 days a month of actually following the plan? 14 people if they are on it 7 days a week (which is probably not realistic)?

If one assumes a simplistic 50% churn per month and 20 people a month, that would be 80 different people in total involved over the 7 months?

I assume the participant number is actually not constant over time, but growing over time with a smaller starting number? (After an initial “excitement” spike?)

It would be fun to see the actual graphs you have. Could be nice supporting evidence to convince more people to get involved, or even get some of the upstream projects Ubuntu relies on doing a 5-a-day of their own.

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