Comments on: Lowering The Theming Barrier with CSS http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/ At home with Jono Bacon, Community Manager and Author Fri, 12 Mar 2010 22:00:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: GNOME Theming » Blog Archive » What is the CSS engine (not)? http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126977 GNOME Theming » Blog Archive » What is the CSS engine (not)? Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:07:24 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126977 <p>[...] recent post initiated some discussion about this project’s merits [1, 2], so it might be helpful to spell out some [...]</p> [...] recent post initiated some discussion about this project’s merits [1, 2], so it might be helpful to spell out some [...]

]]> By: gtk-css-engine « toros and the grumpy groundhog http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126944 gtk-css-engine « toros and the grumpy groundhog Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:45:53 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126944 <p>[...] olvastam. Ezúttal egy pár nappal ezelÅ‘tti bejegyzéséhez nyúlok vissza, amiben egy érdekes új kezdeményezésrÅ‘l írt, aminek az a célja, hogy GTK ( és így Gnome) témákat készíthessünk a CSS technológia [...]</p> [...] olvastam. Ezúttal egy pár nappal ezelÅ‘tti bejegyzéséhez nyúlok vissza, amiben egy érdekes új kezdeményezésrÅ‘l írt, aminek az a célja, hogy GTK ( és így Gnome) témákat készíthessünk a CSS technológia [...]

]]> By: Scott Ritchie http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126866 Scott Ritchie Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:15:05 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126866 <p>The Wine project was just talking about the idea of creating a unified, simplified theme format. The non-trivial problem is that we need to draw Windows programs in a way similar to the system theme so they match, however GTK themes don't map nicely to Windows ones.</p> <p>With a simplified standard, however, we make it very easy to create a Wine theme.</p> The Wine project was just talking about the idea of creating a unified, simplified theme format. The non-trivial problem is that we need to draw Windows programs in a way similar to the system theme so they match, however GTK themes don’t map nicely to Windows ones.

With a simplified standard, however, we make it very easy to create a Wine theme.

]]> By: Cypher http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126847 Cypher Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:13:21 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126847 <p>@Bart: you can handle this through code as well by loading a CSS file in the application initialisation by invoquing a method of QApplication. You can even change it at runtime.</p> @Bart: you can handle this through code as well by loading a CSS file in the application initialisation by invoquing a method of QApplication. You can even change it at runtime.

]]> By: Creating Themes « dborg’s Journal http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126845 Creating Themes « dborg’s Journal Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:47 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126845 <p>[...] Jono writes enthusiastically about the CSS theme engine work, and I would love to share his excitement. But I just can’t see it making a big difference. Don’t get me wrong, Rob’s work is fantastic and might lead to some very interesting things. It also promises to serve as a more flexible kind of pixmap engine in the future, and the familiar CSS syntax is certainly nice for us developers (and those of us sitting on the fence). [...]</p> [...] Jono writes enthusiastically about the CSS theme engine work, and I would love to share his excitement. But I just can’t see it making a big difference. Don’t get me wrong, Rob’s work is fantastic and might lead to some very interesting things. It also promises to serve as a more flexible kind of pixmap engine in the future, and the familiar CSS syntax is certainly nice for us developers (and those of us sitting on the fence). [...]

]]> By: Bart http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126844 Bart Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:14:50 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126844 <p>@Oliver : yes, with the -stylesheet command line parameter</p> @Oliver : yes, with the -stylesheet command line parameter

]]> By: Cypher http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126839 Cypher Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:01:00 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126839 <p>Why... why are the GTK people always trying to reinvent the wheel ? Qt can do everything you describe already. Ok, it's not LGPL, but it's still GPL, why don't you even want to think about using it ?</p> Why… why are the GTK people always trying to reinvent the wheel ? Qt can do everything you describe already. Ok, it’s not LGPL, but it’s still GPL, why don’t you even want to think about using it ?

]]> By: Rob Staudinger http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126835 Rob Staudinger Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:44:45 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126835 <p>Let me try to clear out a few misconceptions.</p> <p>The css-engine will not be able to influence widget layout, this is currently not possibly by themes in gtk. Maybe things will be more flexible with gtk3, we are thinking about it.</p> <p>One of the strongest features of (gtk-)css is that you can use images together with css's own positioning- and drawing-capabilities. This means you can arrage images to avoid ugly scaling effects.</p> <p>It's really not css vs. svg, the css-engine already has svg support via librsvg.</p> <p>Finally, if anyone was interested to do packages of the css-engine and the cairo css drawing library get in touch. It would be great to have them for the upcoming 0.3 release.</p> Let me try to clear out a few misconceptions.

The css-engine will not be able to influence widget layout, this is currently not possibly by themes in gtk. Maybe things will be more flexible with gtk3, we are thinking about it.

One of the strongest features of (gtk-)css is that you can use images together with css’s own positioning- and drawing-capabilities. This means you can arrage images to avoid ugly scaling effects.

It’s really not css vs. svg, the css-engine already has svg support via librsvg.

Finally, if anyone was interested to do packages of the css-engine and the cairo css drawing library get in touch. It would be great to have them for the upcoming 0.3 release.

]]> By: einalex http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126818 einalex Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:19:33 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126818 <p>it won't be enough. GTK on it's course for accessability and simplicity forces you into this very special gtk look which became old and dusty a long time ago. It's a bit like the ipod. It's simplistic, straight forward but you just can't do anything another way. A dropdown menu will always look like a dropdown menu does. A button will always be square. A textbox will always be exactly horizontal. You are completely unable to do "custom" stuff with it. no reallly "light" UI will ever come out of it. It just looks the same way it did when graphical user interfaces first came to light. Sure, there was a lot of streamlining and polishing. But it's still a prison for the mind. css thememing won't change that. It will just add another layer of polish.</p> it won’t be enough. GTK on it’s course for accessability and simplicity forces you into this very special gtk look which became old and dusty a long time ago. It’s a bit like the ipod. It’s simplistic, straight forward but you just can’t do anything another way. A dropdown menu will always look like a dropdown menu does. A button will always be square. A textbox will always be exactly horizontal. You are completely unable to do “custom” stuff with it. no reallly “light” UI will ever come out of it. It just looks the same way it did when graphical user interfaces first came to light. Sure, there was a lot of streamlining and polishing. But it’s still a prison for the mind. css thememing won’t change that. It will just add another layer of polish.

]]> By: Mackenzie http://www.jonobacon.org/2008/11/18/lowering-the-theming-barrier-with-css/comment-page-1/#comment-126801 Mackenzie Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:37:40 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=1403#comment-126801 <p>Corey: Using CSS3, yes, I believe you can do gradients. If not, Webkit's CSS extensions certainly can.</p> Corey: Using CSS3, yes, I believe you can do gradients. If not, Webkit’s CSS extensions certainly can.

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