EXACTLY. The folks that I run into that claim to be liberal are more often about controlling what I THINK, how I FEEL, what BELIEFS I am allowed to have. This does of course seep into what i am allowed to do, with them constantly trying to prevent me from doing it. Whereas conservatives tend to try to prevent actions, not discourse. Both are unacceptable to me. But talking about it is ok.

• as in hold the position, not postmodern “feel” ** not sure if this is the correct English word. If “physical” includes thinking, talking about ideas or trying to change other peoples mind in a peaceful way I used the wrong word

I read it as saying that differences in how conscientious people were and how important they thought the outcome of a task was, affected team cohesion and performance.

Isn’t this an area where you don’t want much diversity? Who wants less conscientious people on a team? Or people who don’t actually care about the outcome of a project?

Mind you in this aspect I can see a difference between a team that is put together by an employer and a community that people choose to join.

When your boss is after a result, having less conscientious people in a team is a pain in the ass but in a community the work will be done by the conscientious and any contribution from the less conscientious is a bonus. Unless of course the less conscientious are somehow disproportionately using up scarce resources of the community.

I don’t agree even in the least that Debian or Ubuntu embrace diversity any more than other projects, FOSS or proprietary. In fact, I have found that proprietary groups are about making money, thus they usually bite their lip if you say something with which they disagree. An example is that I have never been told by an MS rep that I was not permitted to swear when having a conversation with adults.

@Marku,

Bono seems to be the only one at Canonical with any kind of common sense in this realm. Unfortunately, like it or not, Canonical sets the tone for the rest of the Ubuntu teams, so when their employees are about restricting speech, we can expect other self-styled leaders in their community to do the same.

@Sveinung,

As far as Vorians position on the voting issue, I disagree with him. However, he still should be able to voice his opinion. Now, people can tell him his opinion is wrong, or why they disagree with him or are voting differently, that I am ok with. The exception I take is that he was told he should not be posting his opinion, ostensibly because Planet Ubuntu isnt about politics. Yet we see LOTS of politicing and no one tells the left that they cannot post.

To clarify I have more libertarian leanings. Morally I feel you should do what you want, so long as it infringes upon no one else. I support gay marriage, abortion, and I support the right to bear arms. So I am somewhat left and somewhat right. But even those I disagree with vehemently, I think should be able to voice their opinion.

What I have found though is that folks that claim to be liberal, are most generally not. It is not pro-choice, rather it is pro-choice in issues that they believe you should have a choice in. Other issues they are decidedly anti-choice. (This is not true always of course, many liberals are truely liberal in the literal sense of the word, not the political, liberal in some things orthodoxed and controlling in others).

@LI,

Which is exactly my problem with political liberals. As the things THEY think I should not be doing (cussing, using words like yall, talking about my relationships) they try to enforce that upon me. It is not a live and let live attitude from political liberals.

A very good example is abortions. As mentioned I am libertarian. The Libertarian Party platform on abortion is a hands off. Some are morally opposed to it, some are morally for it. But the party position is that it is none of the government’s business.

In one case I stated that I think the government should be strictly NEUTRAL regarding abortion, no laws for or against, and that a woman should decide for herself whether she gets an abortion when pregnant. But I hoped that by the fifth or sixth month she had made her decision. But either way it was not a decision for government.

The response from one of the political liberals I was talking to was “OH! Because YOU think I should have this baby I should! YOU want ME barefoot and pregnant! yada yada…” This despite the fact that I had clearly said my position was the OPPOSITE of that and that it should be the WOMAN that decided her own fate.

So when I read these occasional posts from Jono supporting more freedom I dig it. But sadly, he is a rare breed at Canonical and in the Ubuntu ranks.

All to often, dislike of these things takes the form of trying to forbit it to everyone. You’re more than welcome to be straight, to not get abortions, and not use condoms. Just don’t begrudge everyone else that same respect.

Being from Maine USA, even I notice a West Coast feel and “attitude” to a number of commercial packages. I can only imagine how frustrating a lot of US software is to other people in the world. Even Canadians

Don’t use certain words.

Don’t talk about political topics that we disagree with.

Don’t talk about religion (unless you are an atheist, then you can bash religion).

Don’t call Ubuntu a GNU/Linux distribution, only call it Linux.

Don’t complain about proprietary companies like Microsoft.

Don’t praise proprietary companies like Microsoft when they do things that are free.

Don’t act like an adult, only always talk as if you were 3 years old and are surrounded by other children. To wit:

Don’t speak in the COMMON vernacular (I’m not talking about cussing here, I am talking about normal, common speech, words like yall, yens, howdy, holler, watup have been FORBIDDEN by certain persons…no I kid you not).

The aforementioned banning of certain words. Any sort of conversation about not just sexuality but RELATIONSHIPS. (God forbid if you are gay or single or poly or vamp or goth or in any other NON “normal” relationship). Don’t disagree with anyone (but we can disagree with those anyones).

Don’t bring up that their actions have “violated” the COC when they did, but they will claim that others actions did in fact “violate” the COC for doing things not mentioned even in spirit in the COC (examples above).

Diversity means that your “community” has to learn there ARE going to be those of us that are different from yall. It is based on all of these things and many more. The attacks on Vorian because of his faith and voting and merely SUGGESTING that someone COULD vote a particular way, and the attacks on Stephan for things as simple as using three letters, demonstrate that this community has a LONG way to go before actually accepting mutliveristy.