Comments on: Learning To Listen http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/ At home with Jono Bacon, Community Manager and Author Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mackenzie http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131322 Mackenzie Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:21:07 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131322 <p>2008, not 2009 ;)</p> 2008, not 2009 ;)

]]> By: moose http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131239 moose Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:50:01 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131239 <p>Please consider attending the Diversity in Open Source Workshop the Sunday of the Ohio LinuxFest. Remember the old saying (well, it's from a cartoon), "On the Internet nobody knows you're a dog"? I'm very sure that women aren't the only people who get disenfranchised in the computing communities, and I'd like to help people look within and without for how we can better make the Open Source communities <em>truly</em> OPEN, for everyone.</p> Please consider attending the Diversity in Open Source Workshop the Sunday of the Ohio LinuxFest. Remember the old saying (well, it’s from a cartoon), “On the Internet nobody knows you’re a dog”? I’m very sure that women aren’t the only people who get disenfranchised in the computing communities, and I’d like to help people look within and without for how we can better make the Open Source communities truly OPEN, for everyone.

]]> By: Melissa http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131038 Melissa Mon, 20 Jul 2009 15:02:18 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131038 <p>These might be interesting if you want to draw a parallel between women in open source and women in science:</p> <p>http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200907/urry.cfm</p> <p>http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000721</p> These might be interesting if you want to draw a parallel between women in open source and women in science:

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200907/urry.cfm

http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/cms/?pid=1000721

]]> By: Melissa http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131033 Melissa Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:48:18 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131033 <p>From my personal experience, in science at least, there is a big (unconscious, sometimes) bias against successful women. I didn't meet any successful women role models in math until my PhD (and that's because I came to Europe for it - I'm originally from Brazil). I think it might be a matter of personal taste, I've always enjoyed fiddling with computers and just exact sciences in general, but I think it might have to do with the expectations for women to like pink, be nurturing and caring, while men do the thinking.. To me, the most important things we can do as a community is just keep the doors open, make sure we don't make assumptions about gender and highlight good examples. I do think it's getting better in Europe and the US, but for now, I'll still be the only woman at my LUG when I go home to Brazil later this year...</p> From my personal experience, in science at least, there is a big (unconscious, sometimes) bias against successful women. I didn’t meet any successful women role models in math until my PhD (and that’s because I came to Europe for it – I’m originally from Brazil). I think it might be a matter of personal taste, I’ve always enjoyed fiddling with computers and just exact sciences in general, but I think it might have to do with the expectations for women to like pink, be nurturing and caring, while men do the thinking.. To me, the most important things we can do as a community is just keep the doors open, make sure we don’t make assumptions about gender and highlight good examples. I do think it’s getting better in Europe and the US, but for now, I’ll still be the only woman at my LUG when I go home to Brazil later this year…

]]> By: Melissa http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131032 Melissa Mon, 20 Jul 2009 09:41:36 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131032 <p>Hi Mackenzie,</p> <p>You don't have to apologize! I understand the utility of the list and I don't feel bothered by what you do, is just that I felt completely useless because there was nothing I could do to help... In fact, I was absolutely jealous of all these conferences and meetups ;)</p> <p>And no, I haven't heard of Full Circle magazine. I'm going to look for it right now, thanks :)</p> Hi Mackenzie,

You don’t have to apologize! I understand the utility of the list and I don’t feel bothered by what you do, is just that I felt completely useless because there was nothing I could do to help… In fact, I was absolutely jealous of all these conferences and meetups ;)

And no, I haven’t heard of Full Circle magazine. I’m going to look for it right now, thanks :)

]]> By: Links for July 19 2009 | Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People & Projects http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131024 Links for July 19 2009 | Eric D. Brown - Technology, Strategy, People & Projects Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:46:52 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131024 <p>[...] Learning To Listen by Jono Bacon on JonoBacon@Home [...]</p> [...] Learning To Listen by Jono Bacon on JonoBacon@Home [...]

]]> By: Little Girl http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131016 Little Girl Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:45:38 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131016 <p>I also agree with Bugsbane and would like to add one more angle to your research. I recommend also interviewing men who don't participate in the Free Software and Open Source communities. The similarities or differences in their answers could be interesting and helpful.</p> I also agree with Bugsbane and would like to add one more angle to your research. I recommend also interviewing men who don’t participate in the Free Software and Open Source communities. The similarities or differences in their answers could be interesting and helpful.

]]> By: Beth Lynn Eicher http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131009 Beth Lynn Eicher Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:32:08 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131009 <p>As a female voice on the Internet of the past 15 years and a Linux professional for 10 years, I think I have some answers to the questions that you are asking. In order to get to the bottom of why gender is not balanced in technology, we need to look at the root cause which is bigotry. The same people who gave me a hassle along the way where the same people who hindered gay and non-white collegues. The same attitudes extend in all sorts of elitist directions by excluding people who are new, those who do not work in technology, those who come from poverty, anyone who is perceived as being too young or too old to be of use to the FLOSS community. On October 11, 2009 as I was introducing you as the evening keynote, I took the opportunity to declare elitism <em>over</em> and to challenge anyone who sees wrong doing to say "Not in our neighbourhood." The overall goal of diversity is achieved by calling out nonsense and treating all people with respect and appreciation. During that talk I made reference to Mr. Roger's Neighborhood which was a children's show on public tv where the daily message was the same for 50 years, that you, the viewer, are loved just for who you are. Boy or girl. Black or white. Kid with a large extended family or broken home. Most Americans for 5 generations as adults feel that they are part of Mr. Roger's neighborhood due to being accepted and appreciated "just for who they are." Now that is building belonging in a way that the Linux community needs to reproduce. I made the connection between being a neighbor and living the spirit of ubuntu. Those who live ubuntu make it part of their being to treat people with respect - the opposite of bigotry. When we get enough people together living as neighbors in ubuntu, we will get the diversity we seek. Once that happens, crazy fun things will happen like the resolution of bug one (whatwillweuse.com). I am a idealist who believes she can change the world. Linux can too - one neighbor at a time.</p> As a female voice on the Internet of the past 15 years and a Linux professional for 10 years, I think I have some answers to the questions that you are asking. In order to get to the bottom of why gender is not balanced in technology, we need to look at the root cause which is bigotry. The same people who gave me a hassle along the way where the same people who hindered gay and non-white collegues. The same attitudes extend in all sorts of elitist directions by excluding people who are new, those who do not work in technology, those who come from poverty, anyone who is perceived as being too young or too old to be of use to the FLOSS community. On October 11, 2009 as I was introducing you as the evening keynote, I took the opportunity to declare elitism over and to challenge anyone who sees wrong doing to say “Not in our neighbourhood.” The overall goal of diversity is achieved by calling out nonsense and treating all people with respect and appreciation. During that talk I made reference to Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood which was a children’s show on public tv where the daily message was the same for 50 years, that you, the viewer, are loved just for who you are. Boy or girl. Black or white. Kid with a large extended family or broken home. Most Americans for 5 generations as adults feel that they are part of Mr. Roger’s neighborhood due to being accepted and appreciated “just for who they are.” Now that is building belonging in a way that the Linux community needs to reproduce. I made the connection between being a neighbor and living the spirit of ubuntu. Those who live ubuntu make it part of their being to treat people with respect – the opposite of bigotry. When we get enough people together living as neighbors in ubuntu, we will get the diversity we seek. Once that happens, crazy fun things will happen like the resolution of bug one (whatwillweuse.com). I am a idealist who believes she can change the world. Linux can too – one neighbor at a time.

]]> By: Me in a FLOSS community « Let’s test Ubuntu NOW! http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131004 Me in a FLOSS community « Let’s test Ubuntu NOW! Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:00:56 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131004 <p>[...] 16, 2009 in Uncategorized Jono asked about thoughts on why women are such a minority in open source communities. I already talked [...]</p> [...] 16, 2009 in Uncategorized Jono asked about thoughts on why women are such a minority in open source communities. I already talked [...]

]]> By: Mackenzie http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/comment-page-1/#comment-131003 Mackenzie Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:40:56 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/07/15/learning-to-listen/#comment-131003 <p>Have you seen the Ubuntu Women interview series in Full Circle Magazine? The Amarok project lead, Lydia Pintscher, was interviewed in issue 23. Lyz Krumbach, a Debian maintainer, sysadmin, and Ubuntu Women leader was interviewed in issue 24. Issue 26 has Laura Czajkowski, a software tester and event organizer for the Irish LoCo.</p> <p>And I'm sorry my message to Ubuntu Women about the conference I'm helping with, if that's what bothered you. I think IRC is much more active in terms of general chatter than the mailing list, which tends to be more announcement based.</p> Have you seen the Ubuntu Women interview series in Full Circle Magazine? The Amarok project lead, Lydia Pintscher, was interviewed in issue 23. Lyz Krumbach, a Debian maintainer, sysadmin, and Ubuntu Women leader was interviewed in issue 24. Issue 26 has Laura Czajkowski, a software tester and event organizer for the Irish LoCo.

And I’m sorry my message to Ubuntu Women about the conference I’m helping with, if that’s what bothered you. I think IRC is much more active in terms of general chatter than the mailing list, which tends to be more announcement based.

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