Comments on: The Intersection Of Quality And Expectations http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/ At home with Jono Bacon, Community Manager and Author Sat, 11 Feb 2012 21:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Erick Brunzell http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133740 Erick Brunzell Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:32:45 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133740 <p>Very good article. I began using Ubuntu w/Gutsy and when Hardy rolled out I immediately upgraded, but after a few months of continual problems with pulse audio I was pondering reverting to Gutsy.</p> <p>Then a light bulb went on and I decided to try a multi-boot. I've been happily doing so ever since then. It takes all the risk out of the process. Karmic has been almost unusable for me, but I still have Jaunty installed and it's been rock stable for me.</p> <p>It's the best of both worlds, I can play with the bleeding edge stuff at my leisure, file bug reports, etc. and yet boot a reliable OS to get my work done. Data transfer is only a few mouse clicks and keystrokes away!</p> <p>For those with a tiny netbook drive they might consider doing the same with an inexpensive pen-drive. Learn, relax and enjoy!</p> Very good article. I began using Ubuntu w/Gutsy and when Hardy rolled out I immediately upgraded, but after a few months of continual problems with pulse audio I was pondering reverting to Gutsy.

Then a light bulb went on and I decided to try a multi-boot. I’ve been happily doing so ever since then. It takes all the risk out of the process. Karmic has been almost unusable for me, but I still have Jaunty installed and it’s been rock stable for me.

It’s the best of both worlds, I can play with the bleeding edge stuff at my leisure, file bug reports, etc. and yet boot a reliable OS to get my work done. Data transfer is only a few mouse clicks and keystrokes away!

For those with a tiny netbook drive they might consider doing the same with an inexpensive pen-drive. Learn, relax and enjoy!

]]> By: Why Does Everyone Hate Ubuntu? « Simplicity Is Linux http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133695 Why Does Everyone Hate Ubuntu? « Simplicity Is Linux Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:30:39 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133695 <p>[...] his blog, Bacon argues that “criticism is a sign of success.” He has a point, but I think it would be more [...]</p> [...] his blog, Bacon argues that “criticism is a sign of success.” He has a point, but I think it would be more [...]

]]> By: Kal http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133478 Kal Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:38:03 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133478 <p>This does not explain why you put the buggy Kdevelop beta5 in your release against the wishes of the Kdevelop project, and made Kdevelop look bad. Why refuse to put in a stable release of Kdevelop? Your blog post is complete crap.</p> This does not explain why you put the buggy Kdevelop beta5 in your release against the wishes of the Kdevelop project, and made Kdevelop look bad. Why refuse to put in a stable release of Kdevelop? Your blog post is complete crap.

]]> By: user http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133451 user Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:40:28 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133451 <p>quality matters more than being fast with new stuff</p> <p>concentrate on stability</p> <p>usability</p> <p>seemless install</p> <p>dont be the opensource microsoft</p> quality matters more than being fast with new stuff

concentrate on stability

usability

seemless install

dont be the opensource microsoft

]]> By: SilverWave http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133438 SilverWave Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:54:46 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133438 <p>Thanks for Karmic Love it :)</p> <p>For the commenter's who criticize the 6 month cycle:</p> <p>The WHOLE point of Ubuntu is the six month release cycle - that is why we use it and why it is so popular. Large repositories of up to date packages all built to work against the latest Ubuntu release.</p> <p>Its a trade off, if you want to play it safe go LTS, if you want all the latest toys and up to date packages you pick the latest and greatest.</p> Thanks for Karmic Love it :)

For the commenter’s who criticize the 6 month cycle:

The WHOLE point of Ubuntu is the six month release cycle – that is why we use it and why it is so popular. Large repositories of up to date packages all built to work against the latest Ubuntu release.

Its a trade off, if you want to play it safe go LTS, if you want all the latest toys and up to date packages you pick the latest and greatest.

]]> By: George http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133436 George Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:56:36 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133436 <p>I was looking forward to updating from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. When I did the upgrade, I had many of the problems others had:</p> <p>No working sound Unable to use the new kernel Broken network manager</p> <p>I was disappointed to say the least. Fortunately my home folder was on another partition. I wiped out everything but home and reinstalled from scratch. Now everything works. Although Firefox has an issue with Facebook, but I think it is pulling old information from my home folder.</p> <p>When I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04, everything worked... very well. I expressed to many people how easy it was, how successful the upgrade went. Now, I can't say that. Too many problems that the average PC user would not be able to fix easily.</p> <p>Maybe the release schedule should move to a 9 month release cycle. The extra 3 months could be used to refine the OS, work on "paper-cuts", and clean up anything that might have slipped through.</p> <p>I still prefer Ubuntu, but I have to admit Windows 7 is not too shabby.</p> <p>Good luck with the next release of Ubuntu!</p> I was looking forward to updating from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. When I did the upgrade, I had many of the problems others had:

No working sound Unable to use the new kernel Broken network manager

I was disappointed to say the least. Fortunately my home folder was on another partition. I wiped out everything but home and reinstalled from scratch. Now everything works. Although Firefox has an issue with Facebook, but I think it is pulling old information from my home folder.

When I upgraded from 8.10 to 9.04, everything worked… very well. I expressed to many people how easy it was, how successful the upgrade went. Now, I can’t say that. Too many problems that the average PC user would not be able to fix easily.

Maybe the release schedule should move to a 9 month release cycle. The extra 3 months could be used to refine the OS, work on “paper-cuts”, and clean up anything that might have slipped through.

I still prefer Ubuntu, but I have to admit Windows 7 is not too shabby.

Good luck with the next release of Ubuntu!

]]> By: Mr. Pink http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133424 Mr. Pink Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:30:46 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133424 <p>"Canonical’s version of Vista" is Kubuntu with KDE4. Everyone knows that. :)</p> “Canonical’s version of Vista” is Kubuntu with KDE4. Everyone knows that. :)

]]> By: GregE http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133420 GregE Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:38:34 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133420 <p>One thing I learned a long time ago is not to upgrade. I have a separate /home partition and rename my home folder and then do a new install (not formatting /home) using the same username. Then drag and drop my data from the old folder. This avoids hassles with old config files not working properly with new versions of software. More labour intensive but in the end a more stable system.</p> <p>Secondly I am pissed off with updates muting my sound. This happens in Debian too. Every time there is any alsa or pulse update on restart sound settings are stuffed. This is truly annoying.</p> <p>My clean installs of karmic are all working well. I did try an update on my daughter's desktop and it failed, clean install and it works very well. I had to find the workaround to make her FM radio card work with Gnomeradio (never an issue with all the previous versions installed).</p> One thing I learned a long time ago is not to upgrade. I have a separate /home partition and rename my home folder and then do a new install (not formatting /home) using the same username. Then drag and drop my data from the old folder. This avoids hassles with old config files not working properly with new versions of software. More labour intensive but in the end a more stable system.

Secondly I am pissed off with updates muting my sound. This happens in Debian too. Every time there is any alsa or pulse update on restart sound settings are stuffed. This is truly annoying.

My clean installs of karmic are all working well. I did try an update on my daughter’s desktop and it failed, clean install and it works very well. I had to find the workaround to make her FM radio card work with Gnomeradio (never an issue with all the previous versions installed).

]]> By: lancest http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133419 lancest Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:50:18 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133419 <p>I used the alternate cd to install 9.10 on my MSI Wind U90. Worked like a charm.</p> I used the alternate cd to install 9.10 on my MSI Wind U90. Worked like a charm.

]]> By: J http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/06/the-intersection-of-quality-and-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-133416 J Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:34:37 +0000 http://www.jonobacon.org/?p=2082#comment-133416 <p>Hi Jono, the problem many are having is that this release breaks things that the last two did not. Yes we can work around it, but it does leave a little bit of a sour aftertaste. Ubuntu was almost perfect and nothing to wory about. Xubuntu was far better than I expected. What did you do with the KDE team? Do you honestly hate KDE that much! It comes without the main two reasons for this release (One and the store). Its repositories are broken and I am convinced no-one every tested it. KPackageKit trys to open packages that are the wrong version in the repositories and no-one has every tried it with the medibutu repository. The Beta was fine. The launch party I attended was excellent, but someone at Canonical must want to try KDE.</p> <p>Overall, it is wonderful. I do recommend it to everyone, but please chose to either support KDE properly or drop it altogether.</p> Hi Jono, the problem many are having is that this release breaks things that the last two did not. Yes we can work around it, but it does leave a little bit of a sour aftertaste. Ubuntu was almost perfect and nothing to wory about. Xubuntu was far better than I expected. What did you do with the KDE team? Do you honestly hate KDE that much! It comes without the main two reasons for this release (One and the store). Its repositories are broken and I am convinced no-one every tested it. KPackageKit trys to open packages that are the wrong version in the repositories and no-one has every tried it with the medibutu repository. The Beta was fine. The launch party I attended was excellent, but someone at Canonical must want to try KDE.

Overall, it is wonderful. I do recommend it to everyone, but please chose to either support KDE properly or drop it altogether.

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