Online UDS Day One: Feedback Welcome!

I just wanted to post a quick blog entry thanking everyone who joined the first day of our inaugural online Ubuntu Developer Summit today. Overall we didn’t see many glitches in our plan of how to run the event, and we also gathered some fantastic feedback for things we can improve and extend upon next time.

If you want to see what happened in the sessions today, you can view the schedule and view any of the recorded hangouts.

Before we get into the second day tomorrow, I just wanted to invite any comments and suggestions for what worked well, what worked less well etc, to see if we can make any adjustments for the second day. Thanks in advance for your suggestions!

If I don’t see you until tomorrow, we look forward to beginning Day 2 at 2pm UTC tomorrow! Be sure to see the schedule and join us in the sessions!

  • Winael

    Hi Jono,

    In fact, I don’t know what to think, because I never participate in a UDS before this one. It’s very interesting for people like me, who can follow the discussion, even participate on IRC or on the pad. Or follow the discussion when it’s done because it’s on Youtube. That’s great

    But it missed something… the human contact. We’re all in front of our computer, talking through a machine, not to humans directly.

    I can understand that old member can be very disapointed.

    In fact, I really think that Ubuntu have to keep an real event, with the party, the discussion between humans and all that stuff, AND between them, having those kind of UDS.

    But this 1st day of vUDS is better than I expected. Great job

  • Bubba Lichvar

    As a intermediate desktop user I’m very exited about having a rolling release. But watching the G+ hangout earlier today I learned about the need to have a stable builds to put on servers/computers in schools/being sold through OEM products. I also understand that there are 5 or 6 teams that work on updating the interim releases and LTS releases for security and and back porting. Which is a lot of man power and money to support them. Here is what I feel like Ubuntu should do with the project and a few concerns about what could happen in a rolling release.

    There should only be 2 types of Ubuntu. LTS releases and rolling releases, with a slight change in how LTS releases are handled.

    LTS releases should be done yearly, and they should be supported for 3 years. This gives people in business/education/retail the ability to have a stable, reliable, non-changing build of Ubuntu that they can lean on for 3 years with support. But having a new release every year would also give businesses (like system76) the ability to sell Ubuntu competitively with new features. This also frees up 1-2 teams of people that would be supporting the older releases to work on either updating upstream code or working on mobile.

    Speaking of mobile this also gives you the ability to have new version of your mobile OS once a year. Since 2 years in between releases would be too long for the fast pace field of mobile, and 6 months would be too short for deep code development. You could even do point updates when ever you it felt was needed much like iOS or Android.

    Rolling release is rolling release not much can be said other than the obvious, “its bleeding edge man”. The concern about rolling, much like what came up in the hangout, is what will happen with old software. I know that I can install/uninstall/re-install software at will (ah the advantages of Linux . If a beginning user tried rolling release and one day had a different music player, or 2, if you decided not to erase the old one, it would just be confusing. I feel that rolling releases are great, but since Ubuntu comes with so much software it might be hard to change anything once you (Canonical) commit to it. Another great example of rolling releases is Arch Linux, but what makes that work so well is that the core system is so minamel that users add on top of it, and hence they are deciding what is best for them and they alone handle updates, not a company like Canonical.

    As far as 13.04 is concerned, I fell like it should be released. Someone in the hangout put it as “its too much rug pulling at once”. This is a great assessment as we are now 2 months away from that release and Canonical hasn’t decided if they should even go to rolling release or not. This will allow for an extra 6 months of decision making, and allows companies/school/business to see what the future will hold.

    And lastly, the monthly releases that kept coming up in the hangout. Monthly releases are a waste of time and money. To say that once a month you will break off a chunk of the code, call it good, then not support it the next month, forcing the user to update is absurd. Especially when you consider that a just as stable more up to date, more supported version of Ubuntu can be had through rolling releases.

    Sorry for the long post, and be rest assured that what ever is decided I’ll be running Ubuntu regardless.

  • Bruno Girin

    My 2 cents:

    Positives: - Having UDS every 3 months rather than 6 will make it feel more like an ongoing process where you can see continuity. - Virtual UDS means that people who could not previously attend will now be able to, especially people who do not live in Europe or North America. - 2 days rather than 4 makes it easier for those of us who need to take time off to attend.

    Negatives: - The very short notice on this one means that a lot of people were unable to arrange the time to attend. In my case for example, I was only able to attend the last session today and won’t be able to attend tomorrow. This will obviously be fixed for the next one. - Doing things remotely means you lose the water cooler moments you tend to have when a lot of people are in the same place for several days.

    So all in all, you lose some, you gain some. One good compromise long term might be what Winael suggests: a mix of both. You could have 4 UDS a year with 3 virtual, 1 physical for instance.

  • Anonymous

    I agree, ever 3 months. The tech field changes so fast, every 6 months puts us at a disadvantage.

  • SomeRandomDude

    My 2 Cents:

    Positives: - That Canonical didn’t outright kill all interaction with the Community. - That Kubuntu was able to make enough noise to allow 13.04 to proceed which the community seems happy about and Canonical not so much. - Short two day event is nice

    Negatives: - Less people attended sessions like the Community Roundtable then would typically when UDS was physical. - People seemed turned off still yet by the moderation of who got to be in the hangouts - No UDS Shirt? - The short notice was a fail - Cohesion seemed to be lacking - Being that it was remote it was hard to work with the UTC hours

  • Martin Owens

    I wasn’t able to attend because of the short notice and a failure of reciprocal respect for the community consensus process. The community is not of any dialectical use to the Ubuntu project now, so why bother going through the motions. Just do what you going to do anyway, we’ll react to what you do as we would have anyway, life will go on and we won’t have wasted time talking needlessly about decisions that are already made.

  • http://twitter.com/davmor2 Dave Morley

    Jono I love that there is video of everything. I think however that because of the format the way things are discussed may need to change.

    I watch 3 of the videos last night Mir became basically a Q&A not so good for work items but very interesting, Rolling Release Lots of feedback and thoughts banded around good session, qemu/lxc lots of talk about whats new, what needs to be done, and the way things are heading, again a good session.

    I think the best format would be 3 days not 2. Day one hit the Q&A’s get them out of the way, Days 2/3 really start on technical details and blue prints now that everyone has had a day to absorb all the info and know what to expect.

    Day one then becomes like the mir and rolling releases talks, no actions but lots to think about. Day 2/3 become the Qemu/lxc video lots of discussion understanding the technical stuff and getting action items in place.

    You could also do the same thing with the plenaries, Get the this is the way we are heading ones out the way on day1, day 2 look at the this is how we are going to get there and day 3 the lightning talks on this is the funky stuff we find along the way.

    On the whole though I think it is much better for remote people.

  • Anonymous

    Everybody (esp. the Canonical guys) Needs to use G+ and hangouts more .. it really wasn’t that smooth. How are Meeting done in Canonical or Ubuntu now? Why not use Hangouts more? That way everybody woudl be more confortable with it.